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The Hermès Game, Decoded: Chloe Chen on Getting the Bag You Actually Want | Emily Blumenthal & Chloe Chen

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Why is buying a Hermès bag so complicated—and is there a smarter way in? We sit down with Chloe Chen, known as Chloe Hermes Fairy, to break down the real mechanics behind scoring a Birkin, Kelly, or Mini Kelly—from purchase history and boutique politics to the reality of being offered a bag without knowing the specs. Chloe also pulls back the curtain on the resale and sourcing market, explaining how brokers secure exact bags, why prices fluctuate, and how paying for expertise can save time, money, and frustration.

Key Takeaways:
 • Access is strategic — Boutique offers depend on history, timing, and relationships.
 • Resale can be smarter — Sourcing directly often beats inflated platform pricing.
 • Authenticate everything — High stakes demand trusted verification and process.

🎧 Listen now for a clear, insider playbook on navigating the Hermès market without the guesswork.

Our Guest:
 Chloe Chen, known as Chloe Hermes Fairy, is a luxury handbag sourcing expert specializing in Hermès. She helps clients secure specific Birkin, Kelly, and Mini Kelly bags through a global network, guiding them through pricing, authentication, and strategy in both boutique and resale markets.

Host Emily Blumenthal is a handbag industry expert, author of Handbag Designer 101, and founder of The Handbag Awards. Known as the “Handbag Fairy Godmother,” Emily also teaches entrepreneurship at the Fashion Institute of Technology. She is dedicated to celebrating creativity, craftsmanship, and the art of building iconic handbag brands.

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Why Online Prices Run High

SPEAKER_00

You know, obviously go on Google or on the internet, type in the bag color you want. And for instance, a a black Mini Kelly, a lot of the internet are selling for 36K or maybe like 30 to 36K, right? But I can get it for a lot less. Right. You don't have to pay for eBay or you know, a certain internet, they take a certain amount of fee.

SPEAKER_01

Hi,

Welcome And Meet Chloe Chen

SPEAKER_01

and welcome to Handbag Designer 101, the podcast, with your host, Emily Blumenthal, handbag industry expert, and the handbag fairy godmother. Each week we uncover the stories behind the handbags we love from the iconic brands and top designers, the creativity, craftsmanship, and culture that define the handbag world. Whether you're a designer, collector, or simply passionate about handbags, this is your front row seat to it all. Welcome, Chloe Chen to Handbag Designer 101 Podcast. You are Chloe Hermes Ferry by Trade and Design at this point. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00

That's correct. Thank you for having me, Emily, this morning.

SPEAKER_01

I'm so excited to have you because honestly, the circular market, it is hot, hot, hot. And being able to purchase high-end bags, as we all know, is a struggle point and it's a challenge for a lot of people. So what you've created is kind of a way to bypass the difficulty and get your hands on those bags in an original form, correct?

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So let's go, Chloe. Talk to us about Chloe Hermes Fairy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

The Hermes Spend Game Explained

SPEAKER_00

So the reason why I decided to help other source bags because I had a hard time finding getting a bag at Hermes. I was trying to get a bag for years and couldn't get any until COVID when my friend taught me how to. But even that, that was limited at the store because you can only purchase one or two bags, you know, a year and has to be approved. And you have to spend a crazy amount in order to even get a bag. It might not be the color or the herware that you want or the leather. So I have my husband's friends, you know, wives reaching out to me because they've been spending over 50k at the store and they couldn't get a Mini Kelly. And, you know, I'm just thinking it's not that hard. You know, if you can find a reseller or someone who can source the bag for you, you're just paying one, two, two, or three times more, depending on what bag you're looking for. But that's still cheaper than spending 50, 60k getting a bag at the store. It might not be a color or hardware you want.

SPEAKER_01

So just to clarify for people who are unaware, to get into the AirMess store, you need an appointment. Correct?

SPEAKER_00

You don't need appointment unless you're in Paris. Right. That's in the US. You can walk in, you can shop.

SPEAKER_01

Do they block they block you from purchasing unless you've made an investment large enough that they can justify that you're worthy of this bag, correct? Yes. So they keep track of everything you've purchased in a database within the AirMez database to say, okay, you've spent enough, or okay, you haven't spent enough, therefore to be worthy enough to purchase this bag X with this AirMez bag XYZ, correct?

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

So what you are doing is creating a gateway for people who have not committed $50,000 or $60,000 and therefore helping them get that bag without having to commit to such a brand investment. So whatever the extra fee or whatever that's paid is still cheaper than spending 60 grand in the store.

SPEAKER_00

That's correct. Yes. And for them to, you know, get their dream back, the green dream color, the hardware, and you know, the the size they want, especially the size. Because, you know, ladies, they all want, you know, a mini Kelly or a size uh Birkin 25 or Kelly 25. And that's the hardest to get at the AirMest store.

SPEAKER_01

So just to clarify one step further, if in the event you are approved to purchase a bag, the AirMez store can then dictate, no, you are not worthy enough to get the bag you actually want. Here's the list of bags that you're worthy of getting, correct?

SPEAKER_00

Yes. So if in order for you to get approved for a bag, it has to go through the general manager, the assistant manager, unless you spend over 100K. And, you know, then they'll be like, okay, you can make a special order bag, but that's a lot of money to spend on a bag.

SPEAKER_01

So how did you get to this point of saying, like, okay, you are obviously an Aramez customer, a loyal one at that? How did all this come to be? And how did you figure out this? I don't want to say loophole, but how did you figure out this? We'll give it, call it a superpower to be able to get this bag that people want.

SPEAKER_00

So as

A Risky Reseller Buy In Miami

SPEAKER_00

it was actually during COVID, after I had my first baby, I really wanted a Kelly bag, but I didn't want to wait at the store for the Kelly 28 I want or 25, because knowing my past experience of how much money that you have to spend, there was no way, you know, the color I was gonna get the color. So I was doing research myself. I connected with resellers. I was very nervous because it was a you know huge amount. It was 20K.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a lot of money. So it's a lot of money. That's a lot of money for people, even with money, because it's money. Every dollar is somebody that someplace somewhere had to be earned. So it's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_00

You don't know if it's, you know, you know, there's a lot of counterfeit bags out there, so it was very nerve-wracking. But the person happened to be in Miami that I was gonna meet up with, and she had the receipts and everything. So I was looking at the paper, I was examining because you know, my I mean, I worked in retail, I sold Chanel bags, all these other designers. And I just happened to get really lucky. There was a lady that was walking by, my husband spotted her, and she was carrying a size 25 Kelly, and he was like, Come on over. My wife is actually purchasing this bag. Can you authenticate it for me? And she came over and authenticate it for me. Oh my god. And then, you know, I knew when I held the bag, it was real because it matched the serial number, it matched the tag, and everything. And she was a lawyer, she just wanted to sell her bag to fund her going back to school for more, you know, a higher education in the law. How did you find her?

SPEAKER_01

You found her on the street, like literally, like you were sitting there. Are you in Miami?

SPEAKER_00

I I'm in Fort Lauderdale, but this transaction was done in Miami in Brickle. How did you find her? Like the seller for the bag. Yeah. Actually, I found her on, you know, like looking on Facebook group. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

From the people I've worked with and had on the podcast, the authenticators that we deal with have said that it's like 50% of what they get is fake without sale. And a lot of people who buy these bags are still spending top dollar thinking it was authenticated correctly and it wasn't. So again, it's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_00

That happens a lot. People get scammed all the time, you know, even all the time. I use like BB, which is like she's known to be the authenticator for Hermes, which a lot of people know, but it takes time. Like it takes.

SPEAKER_01

And what is the what is the what is the fee for having someone authenticated that's independent?

SPEAKER_00

So for her, I believe it's $150, depending on like how fast you need it. I think $150 is within 36 hours. I think she's so backed up that there's only like one fee. You can't just pay like $500 and you know do it within 12 hours. No. Right, right. Other authenticators, I think that charges under $100, but they're not really reliable. Right. I wouldn't use them for such a big purchase like this.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right, right, right. So, okay, we've met one this woman on the street. Did you ship the bag to BB to have her check it out?

SPEAKER_00

So for this one, you know, this me working in handbags, the smell of, you know, you can smell it's real leather because I own a Hermes bag myself prior to this the second one. So the leather, the stitching, just everything was like perfect. And then the stamp on the inside, the hardware, so nothing was off. And I was very lucky because she also had the receipt, and you know, someone was passing by that was dressed very nicely. My husband stopped, and she, you know, was addicted to her mess because she has a huge collection herself, and she looked at it instantly and was like, this is real. Oh my god. Okay. So and I, you know, I have like feelings. I'm like, you know, and when something's not right, you know, I'm like, no, but right, everything just was like, okay, this is an authentic bag.

Spotting Fakes And Using Authenticators

SPEAKER_00

Like I don't need to, you know, check with BB.

SPEAKER_01

What did you do prior to all of this? What was your day job that allowed you to, you know, not only have great taste, but to having worked in handbags before?

SPEAKER_00

So at 16, I started at Burcombi and then I work worked my way up to like BCBG, uh, Max Azria. It was funny because I just moved back to Philly and they were hiring, and the manager had another sales associate. We were competing um to see who has the help hire sales, is how she determined who to hire. So it was very nerve-wracking. I was, I think, 20 at that time. Oh my gosh. And we only had we only had like an hour to do it. Like we weren't even paid on the job. So, you know, the hour came and then she did all the numbers, and I got hired right on the spot because I had a you know, bigger transaction. And then from there, you know, I moved up to uh Saxon Avenue, which was such a fun job for me, higher clientele. I used to be a personal stylist there and contemporary, and then I moved on to uh Neiman Marcus because Neiman Marcus had a bigger store and just more of a like a more all around, like for women and men, there's more more to the store. Right. So I was there for a few years and I was very into handbags myself because I'm a collector myself, but I also love styling other people.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right, right, right. So you have interacted with product, you know how to be front-facing. You know, that is such just a hard skill. And so many people don't have that because you have to put yourself out there on such a grand level that whatever's going on in your head has got to disappear. It does not exist if you want to get people's attention to sell, and you have to be authentic. So, I mean, all this probably goes back to the fact of you getting a sense of people and not and understanding, like, okay, I can trust that this person is an authentic human, which is a gut thing. You just have to go with it. Because if it didn't sit right, like that's a lot of money to part with if something's giving you that funny tummy feeling.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's it's a lot of money. So, you know, for now that I'm sourcing for other clients and friends and family, I always use BB because it's it's not me, because they're you know giving me $20,000, $30,000 of their own money. So I always use BB, and it takes a little while because I want to do it right. I don't want to sell them a you know a counterfeit bag, and then that comes back to me.

The Sales Associate Relationship Strategy

SPEAKER_01

So at this point, all right, you get your bag, then what happens? Then what was the aha moment saying, hold on, there's a business in this.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. So that was uh, and then I met the lady that you know authenticated my bag, and she's traveled all around the world um getting bags, and she kind of taught me like she's like, You have to meet the right SA at the Hermes store.

SPEAKER_01

Like, why don't you just go in and talk to them by you know a little SA is sales associate, sales associate, yeah, okay at Hermes.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So a couple months later, you know, I went to the Aventura Hermes store um that just opened, and I met someone who was very friendly. We got along perfectly fine. We, you know, we always choke. I bought things around the store that, you know, I love. And then we talked about, you know, what's the fastest I can, you know, get my hand on the bag. And he told me, you know, six months to a year. I was like, well, that's a long time. I already spent like 15k at that point. And then I got really lucky. He called me one day and was like, My manager approved, you know, a bag for you. Come in. And I was like, Well, what color is it? You know, what what hardware, what size? He's like, That's crazy. Can't tell you. So he took me back to the room, and it was like nerve-wracking because I I don't know what to expect. And he opened it.

SPEAKER_01

This boy, are you like just out of curiosity? Hypothetically, let's just say it was a bag that was like hot pink cracko. Now, obviously, well, I don't want to say obviously, but what if not only is that hot pink crackle bag way beyond what you were willing to spend and absolutely not what you wanted, you saying no, then burns that bridge, doesn't

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SPEAKER_00

So

Getting Offered A Bag You Must Take

SPEAKER_00

it's funny that you said about a croc, because he did tell me. He was like, Well, would you like a croc bag or would you like just a regular leather salier? And I said, You tell me. And he goes, if you use the croc, if something spills on it, you're done. And you spent 60k on the bag, or do you want something for every day? And I said, I want something for every day. I don't want to carry a bag that I have to like watch where I'm going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spill something, and that 60,000 is completely gone. Yeah. So we had this conversation, and when I got to the room, I knew it was in a croc bag. And so when he opened when he unveiled the box, it was like the it was the perfect color. It was like Etope with go hardware and size 25, which is very hard to get. And I was also told that they're gonna stop making the the size 25 and the the celllier leather. So that means that bag is worth more now.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Because they're stopped making that leather. It's harder to make that leather versus a tago or swift leather. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. So again, whatever bag he brought out, number one, you would have to commit to. And whatever the price was, you would have to commit to. It is understood that, like, whatever I'm bringing, you're taking.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you can turn it down, but the thing is, if you were to turn it the bag down, like if I was to turn the bag down, I just don't know when I'm gonna get offered again. Right. And it might take the color.

SPEAKER_01

And also it's kind of like you're putting a red mark on yourself in their database, like said no.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. I mean, like, especially if you're returning other stuff, and definitely, like, you know, says in the system, like you're, you know, returning. So I remember even purchasing like stuff at the RMS store. You have to make sure you actually want it because you don't want to come back the next, you know, few days and be like, I don't like this. I I I need to return this. The same thing with the bag. You're pretty much like, I'm pretty much obligated to buy it, even if I don't love it. And I'm sure the same thing for other people that are, you know, in that moment, but there are people that turn down the bag for a better bag. Wow. But I just don't know when they're gonna get offer again. It could take up to let's just say it could take a month, it could take a year, who knows? It has to be approved by the manager.

SPEAKER_01

So, okay, now at this point, now you get this bag. What is the scoop as to how someone who doesn't have the purchasing power or hasn't spent that kind of money, are they relegated to the circular market or or are they going to someone like you saying, I want a new one? How does all this work? And how did this aha moment after you got your beautiful bag? Like, what happened?

Building A Sourcing Business Model

SPEAKER_00

So after he gave me my first birth, and he told me that in order for me, like, he goes, You can get another bag, but it's I just gave you one. So we have to pretty much like you have to spend more money in order to get the second bag. You only get two back of the year. And I was like, oh wow, okay. So, you know, I was thinking and thinking, and then he was so nice to me. We had a you know, a good connection, right? Right, right, right. He spoke Mandarin and I spoke Mandarin, so maybe that's why it helped. But I was just thinking he offered me other bags that wasn't me, wasn't me at all. And you know, I sold them, and you know, because there's there's always a bag that you get offered that you might not like, but someone else is trying to get right, and so you know, I was just telling my husband, I was like, I was adding up the math. I was like, this is it's crazy how much I money I spent, and I got one bag that I love. I'm better off getting it from someone else that I can source it myself for more money, another uh, let's just say, instead of buying the bag for 12k for maybe under 25k, I can actually get a bag that I absolutely love.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And then so I started, you know, doing homework on how to find people that were selling their bags. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So all of this now is bypassing the store.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, this is all by bypassing the store.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. And all of these bags are brand new bags.

SPEAKER_00

So for yes, some clients want brand new, some clients they don't mind, you know, getting a bag that's an older stamp and that's gently used for a lot less. And they can be gently used and they can look brand new too, depending on how you take care of your bag.

SPEAKER_01

So, are how how do you work into this equation? Are you buying the bag first and holding it as inventory and then reselling it? Or are you shopping on behalf of other people and then you get paid a commission?

SPEAKER_00

So I am shopping behalf of other people to get paid commission. I am not purchasing 10 bags and then holding it to sell because that's a lot of money. That's like over 200K to be.

SPEAKER_01

That is a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's insane.

SPEAKER_00

So, for instance, a client would reach out to me and say, you know, I want a mini Kelly, I wanted Go hardware. I was like, What color do you have in mind? Do you want classic colors? They're like, Yeah, I'm looking for maybe a black one. And so I'll ask her, Do you want gently used um or completely brand new with the new stamp? And they'll tell me. And that's when I start finding bags, uh, and I'll tell her the price point of how much they cost.

SPEAKER_01

Are you doing any negotiating on their behalf? So you know, okay, so absolutely. So your expertise is here is where it's paying off, where they're like, you know, I know because you need to be an expert within the market to know, okay, here are the bags that at this color knew this is what they cost. Here are those exact bags gently used. That's what their exact cost. If they are in this color, it jacks up the price. If they're in this material, it jacks up the price. Like exactly all these variables. That is, I mean, that's a full-time job to do this. Just out of curiosity, how did you determine what your fee is? Is it a percentage of the overall cost or is it a flat rate? Because I'm sure that took you a minute to figure out the best way to do this.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it does take me out of my time, like a couple hours, because every day, because you might not find it within a day or two. And I just do uh a markup of about 10 to 15% of however much the bag is, you know, sourceful.

SPEAKER_01

So, whatever your patted on fee is still less than what they could get in the store, or it might even be what it costs in the store. However, these people can't get in the store to get it, correct?

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Yes. Yes. I don't charge a crazy fee, but it also varies on how hard it is for me to find this bag. If it's a special order or a certain color, they don't because every single season, you know, or mez makes certain colors. So they'll discontinue some of the colors and some of the leathers. Right. So honestly, depending on how hard it is for me to find this bag. And if I can't even find it, well, most likely I'll find it. It's just, you know, a matter of time.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

How Clients Find A Trusted Sourcer

SPEAKER_01

So you're in Florida. You've started doing this on a small level, just within a very small network. How were you able to grow your brand for people to know? Because there's a lot of people that do what you do, right? We know that. There are a lot of personal, like I know someone in the UK that does this. We had her on, I don't know, last year or something. There are a lot of people, experts. How do people find you other than being on here? Because hooray, you know, lucky you that none of them are on, but you are. So how do people find you? And what differentiates you from other specialty people who have this inside or inside connection?

SPEAKER_00

So people could find me on my Instagram, Chloe Hermes Ferry.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, no, no. But how can people like how do people find out about you? Like, because you know, for what you're doing, you're a specialist, but there are a lot of people that are doing it. So, like, if I was, oh, I wish I could get an Hermes bag. I wish there was someone who could help me, then what do I do? Like, am I Googling person to help me find Hermes bag? Like, how does someone get to the point of finding Chloe Pichen? That's my question.

SPEAKER_00

So currently it's through a lot of it is, you know, friends and family. And then also I've worked with a personal stylist at Neiman's and Sachs that I still talk to. And anytime they have clients that want a bag, they'll reach out to me. That's sent them their contact information. And then, you know, we go on from there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So most of these people are theoretically within the Florida area because that's your relationship.

SPEAKER_00

You know, they could be from all over. I have, you know, someone who bought from me from actually two people from Montreal, Canada.

SPEAKER_01

And they found you through social.

SPEAKER_00

They found me through a friend's friend of a friend. That's what it was. Right, right, right. But they know the investment of, you know, investing in the Bergen because I mean you can use it for 10 years. And if you buy it right, you'll still get your money back.

SPEAKER_01

So do you have people contacting you saying, I want to unload this? Can you help?

SPEAKER_00

They, you know, find me first and ask me, you know, what's the you know, the price for a certain bag. And then they're, you know, comparing it to other people that are sourcing bags and also the internet. You know, you can, you know, obviously go on Google or on the internet, type in the bag color you want. And for instance, a a black Mini Kelly, a lot of the internet are selling for 36k or maybe like 30 to 36k, right? But I can get it for a lot less. Right. You don't have to pay for eBay or you know, certain the internet, they take a certain amount of fee.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right, right, right. Right. And then you also get this human connection and you have someone who's looking on behalf, and you know you're not going to get duped. And if there's a problem, you have someone to work with you.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. So, what is your official title? Is it, are you a sourcing? Are you a like expert? Like, I'm sorry, because I this is so out of my league and I'm being educated at the same time. Are you a broker? Like, what would be the terminology for what exactly you do?

SPEAKER_00

That's the first time anyone has asked me that. You know, I guess I'm so a broker, a source. I'm all of above. I'm your yeah, handbag sourcer. But, you know, I mainly focus on our mess.

SPEAKER_01

Has someone said, be like, girl, I need a Chanel. Can you hook me up? Are you gonna be like absolutely?

SPEAKER_00

I have people asking me, like, can you style me? And and I said, you know what? Yes, I love styling people. That's what I started first, right? And right people do reach out to me, you know, asking for certain, you know, fun glasses and um certain Chanel bags, and I can absolutely try to find that for them as well, because that's my specialty.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. So essentially you are scouring the interwebs to find these bags from wherever they are.

Photo Authentication And Receipt Questions

SPEAKER_01

You're dealing with the person who has it, you're going back and forth. When in order for you to authenticate, do you need the receipt? Like, will you take a bag if there's no receipt?

SPEAKER_00

I will take a bag if it's uh without a receipt, but I have to, you know, go through a BB to make sure or another authenticator to make sure it's legitimate.

SPEAKER_01

So let me ask you, BB is in New York, right? Isn't that yes? Okay, so so you find a bag, let's just say in Texas or you know, Saskatchewan, the bag has to get shipped from said seller to BB, correct? For her to, or does she do it online?

SPEAKER_00

So what they have to do, let's just say they're in Texas and they're in the seller, they have to take a lot of pictures of the inside stamp, of the leather, I would say about 20, 30 pictures, and then send it to BB, and then she'll go over it, and then she'll email you within 48 hours or so and tell you whether this bag is legitimate or not. So it's all photos, all photos, because it's stitching the hardware, the leather, the crease, all that she looks at.

SPEAKER_01

And is the BB fee something that you cover through your service, or does that get padded on to them?

SPEAKER_00

It gets padded to for me, like I add that, you know. Right, right, right, right. The authenticity not that big of a fee, especially especially if you can if you're dropping 15. Purchase something over much like 10k.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right, right. Right. Have have people reached out to you just out of curiosity saying they want to sell a bag, and then you send those pictures to BB, and it turns out their bag was fake and they didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00

You know what? I have not yet, because I literally just started my business about two months ago.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my God. Okay. Well, happy to have you on board. This is exciting. I'm glad to be part of your journey. This is awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

Well, so uh, you know, it's just one day I woke up, I woke up. I'm like, I'm doing this for people, you know, friends and family. I I can probably do it for other people too. Yeah. But I have yet had anyone came to me and it are like, can you help me sell the bag? But I would love that.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Right. Oh my god, Khloe, this is so exciting. I'm so excited to have a sourcing broker, elevated expert, the whole thing. This

Where To Follow Chloe And Wrap

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is super cool. How can people find you, follow you if they want to get their hands on a brand new or slightly used, gently used Hermes bag? How do they get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_00

Well, thank you for having me. People can find me on on my Instagram at Chloe at the Hermes Ferry. Chloe at the Hermes Ferry. Mm-hmm. Perfect. So okay, Chloe. Um, so it's Chloe Hermes Ferry. Okay, perfect.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, well, I can't wait to see the bags that you're getting your hands on. And I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of happy customers coming your way as a result of this.

SPEAKER_00

Well, thank you so much for having me. Hopefully, this you know, podcast, there will be people that watch it and they'll find me on my Instagram. I'm sure they will. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

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